Hook with New Outlook Design

Hi @LucB , seems like MS wants to push the new outlook version on us …


After the latest updates installed yesterday or this morning I had this banner in outlook…
It says the new outlook version is available (I am on insider preview) and that this version will be started next time I launch Outlook… :frowning_face: I’ll be pissed if this means I can’t go back to the previous version.

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Quick update: they removed the GUI button that allowed us to switch between old and new Outlook, but still kept it as a menu item so I was able to roll back. :face_exhaling:

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On the bright side, as so many businesses rely on this it’s likely Microsoft won’t deprecate it until the heat death of the universe.

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Hi - was a fix ever identified? It’d be great to use Hook with the new Outlook. However, like many others here, I link my Outlook emails to Things app, and I can’t open the links on the new outlook, or generate “copy links” on them either.

Thanks for all tips!

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To my knowledge this is not yet implemented by MS I. The new outlook. Was slated for June but seems to have slipped to July…

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Yea, I worry this will never happen. I’ve been having problems setting up rules in Outlook for Mac, which surprisingly don’t happen in the new version. I guess I’ll have to switch between both while I can to use the old for Hooks and the new for rules.

One limitation of Outlook to keep in mind (as noted on apps pages) is that Outlook’s IDs do not work across devices, macOS accounts or if you remove and re-download your email. That’s why we really hope they will provide RFC-5322 compliant IDs, and have communicated directly/indirectly with MS about this. Microsoft used to be very non-standards oriented, but I think their current CEO understands the importance of standards.

We’re recruiting for a marketing manager. She or he will spend some % of time communicating with companies like Microsoft that haven’t yet signed onto the Manifesto for Ubiquitous Linking. (I spend a % of my time communicating with other apps’ devs.) We could set up a working group involving users.

I’m imagining a temporary work-around that extracts the RFC-5322 compliant IDs directly from the outlook database. One could at least then write a tool that does an out-of-Outlook search through outlook’s email database to get the ID and subject header (possibly presenting the user with a few choices if many match). I need to check my notes, but I think we looked into this and answer was not-doable. Apple stores its emails as files which is much better.

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What macOS/iOS app(s) are folks using to manage Outlook email while we wait for Microsoft to (hopefully) add deep-linking functionality?

Postbox works with Hook well. On iOS I have no idea. It would be great if I could grab iPad
Emails for
Hook.

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The « old » outlook version.

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Please have the new recruit remind Mr. SN frequently to fix this…

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I talked to my Microsoft MVP friend the other day. He hasn’t heard back yet.

A work-around [for some users] is to use Mail app for the purpose of indexing and reading select emails [while composing in Outlook]. (Some people export their emails to information managers like EagleFiler.) Hook can generate shareable links from there (i.e., that RFC-5322 compliant), even if you send them via Outlook.

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Our admin does not allow anything other than Outlook :frowning:

I use Devonthink to store emails. I’m sure EagleFiler would work too. While linking emails from there is possible, it’s many extra steps.

I do hope Microsoft considers adding the Apple script support🤞

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Just a reminder that Hook can generate hooks to Spotlight searches, so one option (which is not ideal, but may help some people) is to create a hook to the email subject line.

You can also add Hook unique IDs to emails you send to make searches much more specific.

I think I tried to Spotlight search the RFC ID of emails in Outlook without success. I think I had tried subjects and body too. I’ve just given it a go again — no luck. Maybe Spotlight needs time to index it (I don’t use Outlook, only do for QA purposes) However, a bit of web search suggests Spotlight can do it, at least for the old version of Outlook. Would be nice…

Has anyone tried it?

How do you get the ID to use in the search?

I send the email from Mail.app, invoke Hook, Copy Markdown Link. The link is based on the ID, so I copy part of it.

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It looks like this feature has been pushed-back to March 2023 - https://www.microsoft.com/en-ca/microsoft-365/roadmap?filters=&searchterms=88537

wow… that’s a drag. thanks for letting us all know.

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